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1. Re: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19 (Barry Haddow)
2. Re: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19 (Panos Kanavos)


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:02:19 +0000
From: Barry Haddow <bhaddow@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19
To: Tomasz Gawryl <tomasz.gawryl@skrivanek.pl>, moses-support@mit.edu
Message-ID: <56449BEB.3020307@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
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Hi Tomasz

The moseserver is just the decoder, so it doesn't do any of the pre- and
post-processing steps that you also need. In particular it does not do
tokenisation. You need to send it tokenised text, and then de-tokenise
the output,

cheers - Barry

On 12/11/15 13:40, Tomasz Gawryl wrote:
> Hi Ulrich,
>
> I have a question about Moses server too. I'm testing it as a wrapper for
> Across server to check pre-translation possibilities. It generally works but
> there is one problem. Input segments are translated without tokenization, so
> every word close to special character (for example `this is small house.`)
> remains untranslated ('to jest ma?y house.'). I was searching list archive
> and I found similar question here:
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.nlp.moses.user/14020 but for me it's
> not yet answered. I would appreciate any information on this subject.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomek
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:58:40 +0000
> From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
> To: Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu>
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this
> thread:
>
> - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and
> queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have
> been transferred to the main moses executable.
>
> - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json;
> the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command
> line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it,
> so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that
> test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome.
>
> - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular
> moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely,
> as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the
> existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the
> options and then call run regular moses.
>
> - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime
> supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for
> Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything
> for two years, you may assume I'm dead.
>
>
> - Uli
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll
>> transfer the threading-related changes to the server implementation in
>> the regular moses executable and let you know once I'm done so that
>> other things (like
>> passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly
>> straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee
>> that the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it
>> the same way).
>>
>> It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test
>> cases so that we can do some regression testing for the server.
>> Ideally a test case should provide:
>>
>> - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that
>> already
>> exist)
>> - sample input (json)
>> - expected output (json)
>>
>> Cheers - Uli
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the
>>> latest stable mosesserver implementation?
>>>
>>> It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in
>>> contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this
>>> year with an important fix related to multiple threads:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a0
>>> 9f420141795875cf9685
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html
>>>
>>> As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that
>>> Mosesserver correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that
>>> this is a fix for something that many people use without problems.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Evgeny.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
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>>> on behalf of moses-support-request@mit.edu
>>> <moses-support-request@mit.edu>
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>>> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16
>>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz)
>>> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100
>>> From: Marta Ruiz <martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info
>>> To: moses-support@mit.edu
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> VRajG5BtD3AmFvMhpCYNDA3NJ-0ynyQWf3XUzdz-A@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a
>>> few alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have
>>> one alignment...
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Marta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000
>>> From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleusch@ebay.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>> To: Vito Mandorino <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>, moses-support
>>> <moses-support@mit.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <D2667743.9F24%gleusch@ebay.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses.
>>> Mosesserver and moses use different routines to parse the input
>>> string; in particular the code in mosesserver did not parse
>>> placeholders input correctly. It seems to me that this is fixed in
>>> the most recent version of mosesserver (though I have not tested
>>> this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is currently
>>> discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to
>>> the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more
> recent version, available end of this week.
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Gregor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>>
>>> on behalf of Vito Mandorino <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:
>>> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>>
>>> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22
>>> To: moses-support
>>> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>
>>> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach
>>> with mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder
>>> token @num@ instead of numbers.
>>> Do you know how to get the numbers in the output?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Vito Mandorino
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> M. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Ulrich Germann
>> Senior Researcher
>> School of Informatics
>> University of Edinburgh
>>
>
>
> --
> Ulrich Germann
> Senior Researcher
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:30:21 +0000
> From: Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
> To: "ugermann@inf.ed.ac.uk" <ugermann@inf.ed.ac.uk>
> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu>
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> <BN3PR08MB19850F1DF1B9303939007BC7AC130@BN3PR08MB1985.namprd08.prod.outlook.
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>
> Hi Uli,
>
>
> thanks a lot! We will try to add some test cases for Mosesserver, including
> XML input with/without placeholders.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Evgeny.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:58 AM
> To: Evgeny Matusov
> Cc: moses-support@mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this
> thread:
>
> - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and
> queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have
> been transferred to the main moses executable.
>
> - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json;
> the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command
> line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it,
> so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that
> test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome.
>
> - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular
> moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely,
> as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the
> existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the
> options and then call run regular moses.
>
> - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime
> supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for
> Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything
> for two years, you may assume I'm dead.
>
>
> - Uli
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann
> <ulrich.germann@gmail.com<mailto:ulrich.germann@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll transfer the
> threading-related changes to the server implementation in the regular moses
> executable and let you know once I'm done so that other things (like
> passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly
> straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee that
> the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it the same
> way).
>
> It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test cases
> so that we can do some regression testing for the server. Ideally a test
> case should provide:
>
> - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that already
> exist)
> - sample input (json)
> - expected output (json)
>
> Cheers - Uli
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov
> <ematusov@apptek.com<mailto:ematusov@apptek.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the latest
> stable mosesserver implementation?
>
> It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in
> contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this year with
> an important fix related to multiple threads:
>
> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a09f42014
> 1795875cf9685
> https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html
>
> As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that Mosesserver
> correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that this is a fix for
> something that many people use without problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Evgeny.
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>
> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>> on
> behalf of
> moses-support-request@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-request@mit.edu>
> <moses-support-request@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-request@mit.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:02 PM
> To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>
> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16
>
> Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to
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>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz)
> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100
> From: Marta Ruiz
> <martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>>
> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info
> To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>
> Message-ID:
>
> <CABEBqHLL=VRajG5BtD3AmFvMhpCYNDA3NJ-0ynyQWf3XUzdz-A@mail.gmail.com<mailto:V
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all,
>
> When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a few
> alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have one
> alignment...
>
> best,
> Marta
>
>
>
>
> --
> Marta Ruiz Costa-juss?
> martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>
> http://www.costa-jussa.com
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> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000
> From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleusch@ebay.com<mailto:gleusch@ebay.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
> To: Vito Mandorino
> <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>
>> , moses-support
> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>
> Message-ID:
> <D2667743.9F24%gleusch@ebay.com<mailto:D2667743.9F24%25gleusch@ebay.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses. Mosesserver
> and moses use different routines to parse the input string; in particular
> the code in mosesserver did not parse placeholders input correctly. It seems
> to me that this is fixed in the most recent version of mosesserver (though I
> have not tested this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is
> currently discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to
> the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more recent
> version, available end of this week.
>
> Best,
>
> Gregor
>
>
>
>
> From:
> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu><mailto:
> moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>>> on
> behalf of Vito Mandorino
> <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>
> <mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustod
> ia.com>>>
> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22
> To: moses-support
> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:moses-support@mi
> t.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>>
> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach with
> mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder token @num@
> instead of numbers.
> Do you know how to get the numbers in the output?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Vito Mandorino
>
>
> --
> M. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist
>
>
> [Description?: Description?: lingua_custodia_final full logo]
>
> The Translation Trustee
>
> 1, Place Charles de Gaulle, 78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux
>
> Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23<tel:%2B33%201%2030%2044%2004%2023> Mobile : +33 6
> 84 65 68 89<tel:%2B33%206%2084%2065%2068%2089>
>
> Email :
> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com><
> mailto:massinissa.ahmim@linguacustodia.com<mailto:massinissa.ahmim@linguacus
> todia.com>>
>
> Website :
> www.linguacustodia.com<http://www.linguacustodia.com><http://www.linguacusto
> dia.com/> -
> www.thetranslationtrustee.com<http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com>
> <http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com/>
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> --
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> Senior Researcher
> School of Informatics
> University of Edinburgh
>
>
>
> --
> Ulrich Germann
> Senior Researcher
> School of Informatics
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:37:59 +0200
From: Panos Kanavos <panoskanavos@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19
To: moses-support@mit.edu
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Hi Barry,

Have there ever been any thoughts about implementing
tokenization/detokenization directly in Moses? I suppose this is some
work as Moses should become language-aware, but I can only see
advantanges from this. Besides, Moses is a language tool so these
concepts shouldn't be so disconnected from its core logic.

Best,

Panos


On 12/11/2015 4:02 ??, Barry Haddow wrote:
> Hi Tomasz
>
> The moseserver is just the decoder, so it doesn't do any of the pre- and
> post-processing steps that you also need. In particular it does not do
> tokenisation. You need to send it tokenised text, and then de-tokenise
> the output,
>
> cheers - Barry
>
> On 12/11/15 13:40, Tomasz Gawryl wrote:
>> Hi Ulrich,
>>
>> I have a question about Moses server too. I'm testing it as a wrapper for
>> Across server to check pre-translation possibilities. It generally works but
>> there is one problem. Input segments are translated without tokenization, so
>> every word close to special character (for example `this is small house.`)
>> remains untranslated ('to jest ma?y house.'). I was searching list archive
>> and I found similar question here:
>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.nlp.moses.user/14020 but for me it's
>> not yet answered. I would appreciate any information on this subject.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moses-support-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu]
>> On Behalf Of moses-support-request@mit.edu
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:31 AM
>> To: moses-support@mit.edu
>> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Ulrich Germann)
>> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Evgeny Matusov)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:58:40 +0000
>> From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>> To: Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
>> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAHQSRUojZBwQie_+1-Si7i7E1CMYT3Tq4gcfL-2ge2bgGD6L+g@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this
>> thread:
>>
>> - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and
>> queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have
>> been transferred to the main moses executable.
>>
>> - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json;
>> the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command
>> line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it,
>> so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that
>> test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome.
>>
>> - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular
>> moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely,
>> as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the
>> existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the
>> options and then call run regular moses.
>>
>> - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime
>> supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for
>> Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything
>> for two years, you may assume I'm dead.
>>
>>
>> - Uli
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll
>>> transfer the threading-related changes to the server implementation in
>>> the regular moses executable and let you know once I'm done so that
>>> other things (like
>>> passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly
>>> straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee
>>> that the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it
>>> the same way).
>>>
>>> It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test
>>> cases so that we can do some regression testing for the server.
>>> Ideally a test case should provide:
>>>
>>> - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that
>>> already
>>> exist)
>>> - sample input (json)
>>> - expected output (json)
>>>
>>> Cheers - Uli
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the
>>>> latest stable mosesserver implementation?
>>>>
>>>> It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in
>>>> contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this
>>>> year with an important fix related to multiple threads:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a0
>>>> 9f420141795875cf9685
>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html
>>>>
>>>> As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that
>>>> Mosesserver correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that
>>>> this is a fix for something that many people use without problems.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Evgeny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: moses-support-bounces@mit.edu <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>
>>>> on behalf of moses-support-request@mit.edu
>>>> <moses-support-request@mit.edu>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:02 PM
>>>> To: moses-support@mit.edu
>>>> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16
>>>>
>>>> Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to
>>>> moses-support@mit.edu
>>>>
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>>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> moses-support-request@mit.edu
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> moses-support-owner@mit.edu
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Moses-support digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz)
>>>> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100
>>>> From: Marta Ruiz <martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info
>>>> To: moses-support@mit.edu
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CABEBqHLL=
>>>> VRajG5BtD3AmFvMhpCYNDA3NJ-0ynyQWf3XUzdz-A@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a
>>>> few alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have
>>>> one alignment...
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Marta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marta Ruiz Costa-juss?
>>>> martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com
>>>> http://www.costa-jussa.com
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000
>>>> From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleusch@ebay.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>>> To: Vito Mandorino <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>, moses-support
>>>> <moses-support@mit.edu>
>>>> Message-ID: <D2667743.9F24%gleusch@ebay.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses.
>>>> Mosesserver and moses use different routines to parse the input
>>>> string; in particular the code in mosesserver did not parse
>>>> placeholders input correctly. It seems to me that this is fixed in
>>>> the most recent version of mosesserver (though I have not tested
>>>> this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is currently
>>>> discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to
>>>> the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more
>> recent version, available end of this week.
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Gregor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>>
>>>> on behalf of Vito Mandorino <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:
>>>> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>>
>>>> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22
>>>> To: moses-support
>>>> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>
>>>> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach
>>>> with mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder
>>>> token @num@ instead of numbers.
>>>> Do you know how to get the numbers in the output?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Vito Mandorino
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> M. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Description?: Description?: lingua_custodia_final full logo]
>>>>
>>>> The Translation Trustee
>>>>
>>>> 1, Place Charles de Gaulle, 78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux
>>>>
>>>> Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23 Mobile : +33 6 84 65 68 89
>>>>
>>>> Email : vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:
>>>> massinissa.ahmim@linguacustodia.com>
>>>>
>>>> Website : www.linguacustodia.com<http://www.linguacustodia.com/> -
>>>> www.thetranslationtrustee.com <http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>> --
>>> Ulrich Germann
>>> Senior Researcher
>>> School of Informatics
>>> University of Edinburgh
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ulrich Germann
>> Senior Researcher
>> School of Informatics
>> University of Edinburgh
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:30:21 +0000
>> From: Evgeny Matusov <ematusov@apptek.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>> To: "ugermann@inf.ed.ac.uk" <ugermann@inf.ed.ac.uk>
>> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <BN3PR08MB19850F1DF1B9303939007BC7AC130@BN3PR08MB1985.namprd08.prod.outlook.
>> com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Uli,
>>
>>
>> thanks a lot! We will try to add some test cases for Mosesserver, including
>> XML input with/without placeholders.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Evgeny.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germann@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:58 AM
>> To: Evgeny Matusov
>> Cc: moses-support@mit.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this
>> thread:
>>
>> - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and
>> queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have
>> been transferred to the main moses executable.
>>
>> - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json;
>> the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command
>> line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it,
>> so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that
>> test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome.
>>
>> - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular
>> moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely,
>> as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the
>> existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the
>> options and then call run regular moses.
>>
>> - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime
>> supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for
>> Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything
>> for two years, you may assume I'm dead.
>>
>>
>> - Uli
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann
>> <ulrich.germann@gmail.com<mailto:ulrich.germann@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll transfer the
>> threading-related changes to the server implementation in the regular moses
>> executable and let you know once I'm done so that other things (like
>> passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly
>> straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee that
>> the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it the same
>> way).
>>
>> It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test cases
>> so that we can do some regression testing for the server. Ideally a test
>> case should provide:
>>
>> - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that already
>> exist)
>> - sample input (json)
>> - expected output (json)
>>
>> Cheers - Uli
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov
>> <ematusov@apptek.com<mailto:ematusov@apptek.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the latest
>> stable mosesserver implementation?
>>
>> It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in
>> contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this year with
>> an important fix related to multiple threads:
>>
>> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a09f42014
>> 1795875cf9685
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html
>>
>> As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that Mosesserver
>> correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that this is a fix for
>> something that many people use without problems.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Evgeny.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>
>> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>> on
>> behalf of
>> moses-support-request@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-request@mit.edu>
>> <moses-support-request@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-request@mit.edu>>
>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:02 PM
>> To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>
>> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16
>>
>> Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to
>> moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> moses-support-request@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-request@mit.edu>
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> moses-support-owner@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-owner@mit.edu>
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
>> "Re: Contents of Moses-support digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz)
>> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100
>> From: Marta Ruiz
>> <martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info
>> To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABEBqHLL=VRajG5BtD3AmFvMhpCYNDA3NJ-0ynyQWf3XUzdz-A@mail.gmail.com<mailto:V
>> RajG5BtD3AmFvMhpCYNDA3NJ-0ynyQWf3XUzdz-A@mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a few
>> alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have one
>> alignment...
>>
>> best,
>> Marta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marta Ruiz Costa-juss?
>> martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostajussa@gmail.com>
>> http://www.costa-jussa.com
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000
>> From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleusch@ebay.com<mailto:gleusch@ebay.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>> To: Vito Mandorino
>> <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>
>>> , moses-support
>> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>
>> Message-ID:
>> <D2667743.9F24%gleusch@ebay.com<mailto:D2667743.9F24%25gleusch@ebay.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses. Mosesserver
>> and moses use different routines to parse the input string; in particular
>> the code in mosesserver did not parse placeholders input correctly. It seems
>> to me that this is fixed in the most recent version of mosesserver (though I
>> have not tested this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is
>> currently discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to
>> the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more recent
>> version, available end of this week.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gregor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> <moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu><mailto:
>> moses-support-bounces@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-bounces@mit.edu>>> on
>> behalf of Vito Mandorino
>> <vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com>
>> <mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustod
>> ia.com>>>
>> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22
>> To: moses-support
>> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:moses-support@mi
>> t.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>>
>> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach with
>> mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder token @num@
>> instead of numbers.
>> Do you know how to get the numbers in the output?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Vito Mandorino
>>
>>
>> --
>> M. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist
>>
>>
>> [Description?: Description?: lingua_custodia_final full logo]
>>
>> The Translation Trustee
>>
>> 1, Place Charles de Gaulle, 78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux
>>
>> Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23<tel:%2B33%201%2030%2044%2004%2023> Mobile : +33 6
>> 84 65 68 89<tel:%2B33%206%2084%2065%2068%2089>
>>
>> Email :
>> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com><
>> mailto:massinissa.ahmim@linguacustodia.com<mailto:massinissa.ahmim@linguacus
>> todia.com>>
>>
>> Website :
>> www.linguacustodia.com<http://www.linguacustodia.com><http://www.linguacusto
>> dia.com/> -
>> www.thetranslationtrustee.com<http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com>
>> <http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com/>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ulrich Germann
>> Senior Researcher
>> School of Informatics
>> University of Edinburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ulrich Germann
>> Senior Researcher
>> School of Informatics
>> University of Edinburgh
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