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1. Re: english-japanese translation (Vishal Goyal (????? ????))
2. Re: english-japanese translation (Graham Neubig)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:46:04 +0530
From: Vishal Goyal(????? ????) <vishal.pup@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] english-japanese translation
To: Graham Neubig <neubig@is.naist.jp>
Cc: moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu>
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Dear Graham,
Greetings.
Please clarify that Pre-Ordering in your reply means, that making the word
order of both Source Language Sentences and Target Language Sentences
similar in Source-Target Language Pair before going for training so that it
becomes similar to the scenario of closely related language Pair.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Graham Neubig <neubig@is.naist.jp> wrote:
> Hi Vito,
>
> English-Japanese and Japanese-English translation are very difficult due
> to the grammatical differences between the languages.
>
> You have a couple options to overcome this problem:
> 1) If you want to use phrase-based Moses, you will have to perform some
> variety of pre-ordering, in which you rearrange the words in the source
> sentence before training/testing.
> 2) You can use a syntax-based system, either using the functionality in
> Moses (http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Moses.SyntaxTutorial), or using
> another decoder specifically designed for syntax-based MT such as my
> Travatar decoder (http://www.phontron.com/travatar/). I have released the
> setup for training our strongest Japanese-English and English-Japanese
> systems here: https://github.com/neubig/wat2014
>
> Regarding the different types of characters, I would leave them as-is. It
> is possible to perform normalization, which will help in a limited number
> of cases, but if you're just starting out this is really the least of your
> problems.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Vito Mandorino <
> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> does anyone have ever done experiments for English-Japanese and
>> Japanese-English translation? Do you know about useful ressources for this
>> language pair, or some specific gotchas one should be aware of?
>>
>> More specifically, what is the best policy for dealing with alphabets? Do
>> you think it is a good idea to keep different alphabets (Kanji, Hiragana,
>> Katakana, ...) in the corpus, or should one try to convert Kanji into one
>> of the other alphabets?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Vito Mandorino
>>
>> --
>> *M**. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist*
>>
>>
>> [image: Description : Description : lingua_custodia_final full logo]
>>
>> *The Translation Trustee*
>>
>> *1, Place Charles de Gaulle, **78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux*
>>
>> *Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23 Mobile : +33 6 84 65 68 89
>> <%2B33%206%2084%2065%2068%2089>*
>>
>> *Email :* *vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com
>> <massinissa.ahmim@linguacustodia.com>*
>>
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*Regards,*
Vishal Goyal,
Ph.D., M.Tech., MCA, M.C.S.D.
Associate Professor(Stage IV),
Department of Computer Science,
Punjabi University Patiala-147002.
*Machine Translation Systems:*
[*Online Hindi to Punjabi Machine Translation Tool -*
http://h2p.learnpunjabi.org ]
[*Statistical Approach Based Hindi to Punjabi Machine Translation System *
- http://statmt.org/~vishal/hp/index.cgi
- http://tdil-dc.in/hi2pu/index.cgi
]
*Online Journal: [Research Cell: An International Journal of Engineering
Sciences, http://ijoes.vidyapublications.com
<http://ijoes.vidyapublications.com>]*
*Book: A Simplified Approach to Data Structures, Shroff Publications and
Distributors*
http://www.shroffpublishers.com/detail.aspx?title=6163
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:47:12 +0900
From: Graham Neubig <neubig@is.naist.jp>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] english-japanese translation
To: Vishal Goyal(????? ????) <vishal.pup@gmail.com>
Cc: moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu>
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Hello Vishal,
Yes, that's what pre-ordering means. Specifically it means re-ordering the
source side.
Graham
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Vishal Goyal(????? ????) <
vishal.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Graham,
> Greetings.
> Please clarify that Pre-Ordering in your reply means, that making the word
> order of both Source Language Sentences and Target Language Sentences
> similar in Source-Target Language Pair before going for training so that it
> becomes similar to the scenario of closely related language Pair.
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Graham Neubig <neubig@is.naist.jp>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Vito,
>>
>> English-Japanese and Japanese-English translation are very difficult due
>> to the grammatical differences between the languages.
>>
>> You have a couple options to overcome this problem:
>> 1) If you want to use phrase-based Moses, you will have to perform some
>> variety of pre-ordering, in which you rearrange the words in the source
>> sentence before training/testing.
>> 2) You can use a syntax-based system, either using the functionality in
>> Moses (http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Moses.SyntaxTutorial), or using
>> another decoder specifically designed for syntax-based MT such as my
>> Travatar decoder (http://www.phontron.com/travatar/). I have released
>> the setup for training our strongest Japanese-English and English-Japanese
>> systems here: https://github.com/neubig/wat2014
>>
>> Regarding the different types of characters, I would leave them as-is. It
>> is possible to perform normalization, which will help in a limited number
>> of cases, but if you're just starting out this is really the least of your
>> problems.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Vito Mandorino <
>> vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> does anyone have ever done experiments for English-Japanese and
>>> Japanese-English translation? Do you know about useful ressources for this
>>> language pair, or some specific gotchas one should be aware of?
>>>
>>> More specifically, what is the best policy for dealing with alphabets?
>>> Do you think it is a good idea to keep different alphabets (Kanji,
>>> Hiragana, Katakana, ...) in the corpus, or should one try to convert Kanji
>>> into one of the other alphabets?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Vito Mandorino
>>>
>>> --
>>> *M**. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist*
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Description : Description : lingua_custodia_final full logo]
>>>
>>> *The Translation Trustee*
>>>
>>> *1, Place Charles de Gaulle, **78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux*
>>>
>>> *Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23 Mobile : +33 6 84 65 68 89
>>> <%2B33%206%2084%2065%2068%2089>*
>>>
>>> *Email :* *vito.mandorino@linguacustodia.com
>>> <massinissa.ahmim@linguacustodia.com>*
>>>
>>> *Website :*
>>> *www.linguacustodia.finance <http://www.linguacustodia.com/>*
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moses-support mailing list
>>> Moses-support@mit.edu
>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moses-support mailing list
>> Moses-support@mit.edu
>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> Vishal Goyal,
> Ph.D., M.Tech., MCA, M.C.S.D.
> Associate Professor(Stage IV),
> Department of Computer Science,
> Punjabi University Patiala-147002.
>
>
> *Machine Translation Systems:*
> [*Online Hindi to Punjabi Machine Translation Tool -*
> http://h2p.learnpunjabi.org ]
> [*Statistical Approach Based Hindi to Punjabi Machine Translation System *
> - http://statmt.org/~vishal/hp/index.cgi
> - http://tdil-dc.in/hi2pu/index.cgi
> ]
> *Online Journal: [Research Cell: An International Journal of Engineering
> Sciences, http://ijoes.vidyapublications.com
> <http://ijoes.vidyapublications.com>]*
> *Book: A Simplified Approach to Data Structures, Shroff Publications and
> Distributors*
> http://www.shroffpublishers.com/detail.aspx?title=6163
>
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