Moses-support Digest, Vol 162, Issue 14

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: online rule-based and statistical MT engines (Francis Tyers)
2. Re: online rule-based and statistical MT engines (Pierre Lison)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:18:24 +0100
From: Francis Tyers <ftyers@prompsit.com>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] online rule-based and statistical MT
engines
To: Pierre Lison <plison@ifi.uio.no>
Cc: moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu>
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El 2020-04-20 16:40, Pierre Lison escribi?:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm currently teaching a NLP course with a part on machine
> translation, and I would like my students to get a feeling for the
> advantages and shortcomings of various MT approaches, and in
> particular contrast the kind of translations you can get using either
> rule-based, statistical or neural techniques. It's a bachelor course,
> so I don't expect my students to be able to build or even install
> their own MT system -- I would just like them to obtain translations
> from online APIs and understand at a high-level how these translations
> were generated, and what kind of translation errors may arise.
>
> There are of course a plethora of websites offering neural machine
> translation (Google Translate, DeepL, Bing, etc.), but I'm struggling
> to find online services still offering either rule-based MT (for
> instance transfer-based) or phrase-based statistical MT. The only
> thing I found so far was Apertium and Gramtrans (which both provide a
> rule-based MT engine), but Apertium is quite restricted when it comes
> to supported language pairs, and Gramtrans' engine seem to be down, at
> least for some languages.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

For rule-based there is also ProMT and Morphologic:

https://www.online-translator.com/

http://www.webforditas.hu/translation

As you are from Norway, you could get them to compare North S?mi to
Norwegian
with Apertium and e.g. Baidu:

https://twitter.com/unhammer/status/1247491836526170116
https://imgur.com/a/m91SbRw

:)

Fran


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:34:22 +0000
From: Pierre Lison <plison@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: [Moses-support] online rule-based and statistical MT
engines
To: Francis Tyers <ftyers@prompsit.com>
Cc: moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <B4C9CF8E-33A6-47E1-9554-A9AC747799B8@ifi.uio.no>
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Thanks Francis! But are you sure that www.online-translator.com provides rule-based MT? It's a bit unclear but there are a few paragraphs on "the possibilities of PROMT neural translation" below the translation boxes on the website.

Yes, Northern Sami would indeed be interesting, although it might be a bit more complicated for the students (I'm teaching in Oslo, so I don't think any of my students can actually read Sami).

Pierre


> 20. apr. 2020 kl. 19:18 skrev Francis Tyers <ftyers@prompsit.com>:
>
> El 2020-04-20 16:40, Pierre Lison escribi?:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm currently teaching a NLP course with a part on machine
>> translation, and I would like my students to get a feeling for the
>> advantages and shortcomings of various MT approaches, and in
>> particular contrast the kind of translations you can get using either
>> rule-based, statistical or neural techniques. It's a bachelor course,
>> so I don't expect my students to be able to build or even install
>> their own MT system -- I would just like them to obtain translations
>> from online APIs and understand at a high-level how these translations
>> were generated, and what kind of translation errors may arise.
>> There are of course a plethora of websites offering neural machine
>> translation (Google Translate, DeepL, Bing, etc.), but I'm struggling
>> to find online services still offering either rule-based MT (for
>> instance transfer-based) or phrase-based statistical MT. The only
>> thing I found so far was Apertium and Gramtrans (which both provide a
>> rule-based MT engine), but Apertium is quite restricted when it comes
>> to supported language pairs, and Gramtrans' engine seem to be down, at
>> least for some languages.
>> Any suggestions?
>
> For rule-based there is also ProMT and Morphologic:
>
> https://www.online-translator.com/
>
> http://www.webforditas.hu/translation
>
> As you are from Norway, you could get them to compare North S?mi to Norwegian
> with Apertium and e.g. Baidu:
>
> https://twitter.com/unhammer/status/1247491836526170116
> https://imgur.com/a/m91SbRw
>
> :)
>
> Fran




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